but i think that maybe part of what we are seeing on the debt ceiling is the last fight over the debt ceiling back in the summer of 2011 turned out to be a terrible self-inflicted wound for the american economy. we saw consumer confidence plummets, our debt got downgraded. i think that's part of why i think even republicans who care very much about spending are nervous to use as a bargaining chip again, precisely we saw how damaging bringing into question the credit worthiness of the american government was. so am hopeful that we won't keep fighting over this, that we'll have the right fight, which is what she' just any become whicho about the deficit, and not should we pay the bill. i think that's a terrible what. >> and there's a very interesting question about whether, in retrospect, whether republicans leveraging the debt limit in the summer of 2011 could get a bill that cut spending by one to $2 trillion going forward, whether, in fact, that was worth it. because what they did was they introduce liquidity rates by saying hey, if you don't cut spending when not going to vote for a